Seditionaries Mail Order

Vivienne Westwood

Simon at http://punkpistol-seditionaries.tumblr.com/archive seems to be getting quite useful to me writing the World’s End blog. Here are the images from the front & back of a Seditionaries’ mail order form hand drawn & arranged by Vivienne in the late 70’s which he has recently sent me.
Simon is an avid collector of early Westwood & McLaren & has been using his collection to compile a book called ‘Clothes for Heroes’ which he hopes to publish soon. He sent me a draft of the book some months ago & it is really jam packed with photographs of his clothes collection which covers the period between the opening of the Kings Road shop in 1971 as ‘Let it Rock’ until 1980 when the shop changed to its present name of ‘World’s End’. Also in the book are lots of archive photos of Vivienne, Malcolm, the shop, its staff, the Sex Pistols & others, as well as interviews with Sylvain Sylvain (of the New York Dolls), Bernard Rhodes (manager of The Clash)& Vivienne herself. Also included are written pieces by Glen Matlock of the Sex Pistols, Johan Kugelberg who also writes for the Huffington Post, John Savage the music journalist & Judith Watt & Dr Christopher Breward who are both fashion historians.
Simon is experiencing a few delays with the book at the moment but I would like to thank him once again for all his input.
Regarding the mail order form you can see that the prices of things have changed quite a bit but I think that that is more to do with inflation & money being worth less now rather than a mark-up on our side. My grandfather (Viv’s Dad) used to buy second hand cars for £5 when he was young.

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32 thoughts on “Seditionaries Mail Order

  1. Another good read Ben, thankyou. I’m not sure I totally share your view on the price rises though. The inflation on some of your items over the past 15 years is quite shocking. I can’t moan though… I shill purchase from you. Keep up the blog, I love it when new post has been uploaded x

  2. Remember these flyers , 6.50 was a lot of money back in the late 70′s.
    These were iconic because before these came out everything was iron on transfer type t-shirts of your typical Rock / pop bands.
    30 quid for bondage pants was out of this world. Back then everyone was wearing
    Wrangler flares or 12 button patch pockets for 10 quid . Everyone had long hair with a center parting. Having bondage trousers , spiky hair and a muslin bondage shirt made you stand out from the typical straits.

  3. Just found this on The Guardian’s site:

    Mars bar: 1971: 2p, 2011: 60p

    First class stamp: 1971: 3p, 2011: 44p

    Pint of milk: 1971: 6p, 2011: 49p

    Loaf of bread: 1971: 9½p, 2011: £1.10

    Pint of bitter: 1971: 11p, 2011: £3.05

    Bunch of bananas: 1971: 18p, 2011: 65p

    Packet of cigarettes: 1971: 27p, 2011: £7

    Gallon of petrol: 1971: 33p, 2011: £6

    Ticket to Wembley Cup Final: 1971: £2, 2011: £115

  4. Dear God is he STILL doing the rounds??? I wonder if the book will feature interviews with the bloke who paid £11000 for a pile of Camden Market reproductions, or other such people conned out of money in the name of collecting fake vintage clothing?

    • Last Wednesday (July 13) at a confiscation hearing at Kingston Crown Court, Grant Champkins-Howard and Lee Parker – who were convicted last year for selling fake artworks in the style of Banksy – were ordered to pay £24,000 as part of a confiscation order issued under the Proceeds of Crime Act.

      The money will be paid in compensation to victims of the duo’s online scam, which netted them more than £80,000.

      At their trial last year, Champkins Howard and Parker denied conspiracy charges of copying and embellishing punk-era clothing designs by Malcolm McLaren and Vivienne Westwood and possessing articles for use in fraud. The court ordered that these charges should lie on file.

      At the July 13 hearing, the court heard how the pair earned £83,000 by targeting collectors via eBay and online message boards.

      Both had previously been given suspended sentences, community service orders and were banned from selling on the internet after pleading guilty to conspiracy to defraud at Kingston in July 2010.

      Champkins-Howard is estimated to have realisable assets amounting to £15,000 in the form of authentic punk clothes from the McLaren/Westwood shops Sex and Seditionaries, while Parker has original artworks by Banksy among his assets of £9,000.

      The pair – dubbed “old-fashioned con-men” by Judge Suzan Matthews at the trail last year – face jail terms if they do not comply with the confiscation order.

      http://rockpopfashion.com/blog/?p=1606

  5. Malcolm McLaren’s role in Banksy trialFriday, Jul 2nd, 2010

    Categories: 10s, 70s, Art, Court cases, Fakes, Punk

    THE LOOK can reveal that the late Malcolm McLaren was to be a witness for the prosecution in the trail which has resulted in suspended jail sentences for conmen Grant Champkins Howard of Croydon, south London and Lee Parker, of Eastbourne, Sussex.

    At Kingston Crown Court yesterday (July 1), the pair were each handed 12-month suspended sentences for selling fake Banksy prints on eBay.

    “Neither of you should be under any illusion that I regard both of you as nothing more than a pair of old-fashioned conmen,” said Judge Suzan Matthews, who ordered the pair to complete 240 hours of unpaid work in the next 12 months and imposed restraining orders preventing them from selling on the internet.

    Parker, 45, and Champkins-Howard, 44, pleaded guilty to selling copies of genuine numbered prints on eBay, earning £57,000 over a three-year period.

    Prosecutor Richard Mandel said they passed off the copies as being from official limited-edition numbered print runs made early on in the artist’s career, forging ownership documents and adding official numbers and stamps to some, which were sold for up to £2,000.

    The Metropolitan Police recovered 120 prints during the investigation which, if sold as genuine, could have fetched £200,000-plus.

    Champkins Howard and Parker denied conspiracy charges of copying and embellishing clothing by Malcolm McLaren and Vivienne Westwood and possessing articles for use in fraud.

    It was this aspect of the case for which McLaren supplied testimony on behalf of the prosecution. His death in April – and Westwood’s unwillingness to comment – are understood to have been factors in the decision for those charges to be ordered to lie on file.

    http://rockpopfashion.com/blog/?p=302

  6. VIVIENNE WESTWOOD quote ” GET A LIFE ”

    I don’t want to read all this shit about fake T-shirts. I read this site to learn something interesting from Ben.

    GET A LIFE!

  7. Yeah right jackie. So the charges for the Westwood stuff,regarding that case were dropped. Then you say, in the article you submitted, the clothes where then their assets, so that means the clothes were original because they where then classed as assets. Paying Malcolm mclaren £8000 to do a foreword for a book that was full of fakes, but not showing him the full contents and then selling the contents to mr Hirst. That’s the crime. Poor Malcolm and poor 100′s of others Easton sold his rubbish to. Where does it say in those links that the clothes that were taken, claimed to be fake then returned and declared original where sold to you,mr Easton, then sold to mr Hirst? The people that matter and who actually shopped and went to Seditionaries know the truth. Xx

    • Charges were not dropped.

      In the case of Howard and Parker the charges for manufacturing counterfeit versions of SEX and Seditionaries clothing originally designed by Vivienne Westwood and Malcolm McLaren ‘lie on file’. Should the pair be arrested again regards a similar investigation the charge/s which ‘lie on file’ can be reopened.

      What does ‘lie on file’ mean?

      The definition in British law of the wording ‘lie on file’: the Prosecution often ask for a matter to ‘lie on file’ when they do not need to secure a conviction on a particular charge where the Defendant has pleaded guilty to other charges. In this court case Grant Champkins-Howard and Lee Parker had pleaded guilty to manufacturing fake Banksy artwork therefore there was no need to secure a further conviction for the counterfeit Vivienne Westwood and Malcolm McLaren clothing as the sentence would not have been increased.

      Due to the untimely death of Malcolm McLaren who was to appear in court and give evidence against Howard and Parker, and due to the pair pleading guilty to the manufacture of fake artwork, the court ordered that the charges regards the counterfeit Westwood and McLaren clothing should ‘lie on file’.

  8. Wowee Punkpistol stirs it up again – why have you given this guy the oxygen of publicity Ben?

  9. Ok people. I am happy for this blog to be an avenue for debate, for the sharing of information & also for any criticism or exposés. Now I am going to add my piece to this.
    I heard about the case of Malcolm, Damien Hirst & the fake Seditionaries before Malcolm died from my brother Joe (he couldn’t be bothered by it).
    When I first personally came into contact with Simon last year through this blog I heard the rumors about him & checked up on them with my family & my mum’s office. Simon was not the person who was MAKING & selling fake Seditionaries. Simon is a fan & a collector who seems to have been caught up in this. The crime is to MAKE the fakes. It would be fine to copy the designs as long as one doesn’t try to make out that they are originals. Vivienne has no interest in hanging onto her past & yet is happy for the people who still are to express their interest. She has seen the draft of Simon’s book & is personally happy for him to publish it. HE collected the stuff & it is his right to do with it as he pleases. As it goes he is having problems with the executor of Malcolm’s estate who is trying to ‘protect’ it. Simon’s book gives full credit to Malcolm & helps his legacy as far as I can see….
    Simon has also helped me a lot (& freely). He is a great source for archive photos & stories & I still have two more early fashion show videos from him which I will post soon for your pleasure. He is also responsible for the post about Lou Reed & the post above. Thank you Simon!. Anyone else who has something to offer will also be thanked.
    Regarding the selling of fakes to Damien Hirst I personally find it quite ironic. The man who makes fake art is faked.
    ‘It’s a Swindle’ as Malcolm himself said…….. :-)

  10. So you’re saying that it was OK for Simon to sell Damien Hirst fakes, Ben? Whatever you think of Damien that isn’t right and is a bit more than being ‘caught up in it’. Whatever, this guy has a very bad rep on this side of the pond and it just seems like he is exploiting your good nature to boost his poor cred.

    • You fail to make clear the most important fact.

      It was Simon Easton and his management who started the legal process against Damien Hirst. NOT the other way around.

      There is absolutely no evidence that Hirst was sold any fake goods. All goods sold to him were delivered with documentation regards their origins. Many of the items were NOT sold as Westwood/McLaren items.

      Hours before entering court Damien Hirst’s lawyers requested that Easton and his management to not go through with the case, in return Hirst’s company would settle all legal fees and court costs on the condition neither party would speak to the media.

      The details of the case are on public record. Anyone can request to view and read those files. If you want to get the story correct, I suggest you apply to read those records. Just to get you started, I think you
      can apply via http://www.justice.gov.uk

  11. Hi Ben

    Just for the record it was never proven in a court that either me or lee Parker were selling fakes. We both pleaded NOT guilty to the charges of welling fake Seditionaries clothes and that plea was never going to change. The charges were ordered to lye on file because thee was no public interest in that part of the case and also there was no victims as the only person who was claiming we sold them fakes was mr Easton. I never sold any items at Christies and I have proof of that and all the items that I sold through Kerry Taylor auctions were real and she confirmed this in a statement, which I have here. I also have lots of e mails between Hirst and Malcolm and e mails from Malcolm mad little Kim to the police asking as to why they are not arresting mr Easton. Their reply is that they don’t want to switch their attentions from our case. I spoke to Malcolm on the phone just before I was arrested for the clothes and he expressed that he was duped into writing the foreword for mr east ones book. If the clothes part of our case was going to go ahead then I had over 12 people that had sold me some of the clothes over the last 30 years coming to court to give evidence on my behalf. So I am not guilty of selling fake Seditionaries clothes to anyone. Also I would like to add that the one and only victim in the clothes part of the case, Easton, was dropped from the case because he was of bad character because of his dealings with Hirst hence why the case stopped there. Vivienne was not interested in going to the court for the police or me as I wrote to her just after I was arrested for the clothes asking her if she could help out and she said that her solicitor had advised her not to get involved. My entire collection was taken from me and declared fake by Paul Gorman, who I don’t see has an authority on these clothes, then my entire collection was returned to me and then declared original and I was asked to give a valuation. So why was I arrested in the first place for the clothes? That never did make sense to me. What matters to me is that the people that I know and have dealt with over the years know I only have original Seditionaries and SEX clothes in my collection. The banksy part of the case frankly I didn’t give a shit about but the clothes part I was fighting for till the death. Ben you are more than welcome to here the whole story if you want to contact me, I think it would make a great read and it would be nice to get the truth out there for once. X

    • & I have corrected my piece too. Can you all stop fighting now please…
      The blog has moved on.

  12. Coming to this a little too late but…I was 16 in ’76 and that year or the year after ( I can’t remember) wrote to Glitterbest about buying some t-shirts. I lived in Yorkshire so nipping into the shop was unlikely. I had worked through the summer holidays though and was a little flush. I received the above flyer and a two copies of the Anarchy in the UK mag. I bought the Pistols Boy first. Then the cowboys, FYM, Destroy and the safety pin Queen ( that was worn at a lock in in the only pub in town that served the handful of punks out and about on the day of the Jubilee ). I think it may have been Sophie who originally wrote to me. All i can say is I was chuffed to ribbons not only to receive the shirts but to be treated so well. I wore them until they fell to bits and remain obsessed with the clothes. Over the years I have bought some repros and do feel that anyone who was dumb enough to pay vast amounts of money for clothes they then decide are fakes are asking for it. Clearly they had no idea about the shop or the clothes. Common sense would suggest only a certain amount of items could ever have been sold and if they had studied what photos were available (Rotten on the cover of Record Mirror was a good one for the Anarchy shirt, for instance) they would have picked up on details that would have helped give them an idea. More fool them.
    All I can do is say a thank you once again to all concerned for allowing a confused, bullied kid to walk tall through life from then on.

  13. Thank you Steve…….At last a decent comment about the subject in hand :-) …& I agree with your analysis of the issue
    ..Ben

  14. Very late to this but i would like to chip in that I sold several original Worlds End clothes, Pirate and Nostagia (regretted every day) i bought from the store – to Simon via ebay. He was extremely picky and asked several pertinent questions about their origin I got the impression he had quite a lot of integrity. it shocked me when the whole fakes thing came out. Glad to see there has been some re adjustment.